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Just a Thought – Air Fair and the Plane Truth

biplane-2-1-ezg-1While it’s traditional at Fiesta La Ballona to complain about the heat, this year there was a situation that garnered even more comments; the plane flying the Geico banner. It seemed to be constant, it seemed to be flying much lower than the legal limit of 500 feet, and it seemed to annoy the living daylights out of everyone. The plane over the park got everyone’s immediate attention, but there is a shift in policy from The Federal Aviation Administration concerning the flight path to Los Angeles International Airport that you might need to focus on a bit more closely.

There is a petition being circulated on Change.org ( www.change.org/p/federal-aviation-administration-michael-huerta-socal-metroplex-ea-federal-aviation-administration-lax-airport-environmental-manager-scott-tatro-us-senator-dianne-feinstein-us-senator-barbara-b-stop-the-proposed-faa-nextgen-flights-over-culver-city tk=40BK3kre2P1iFftxmHHaW4qA2flPgsAccAv2sNwS9eA&utm_medium=email&utm_source=signature_receipt&utm_campaign=new_signature ) that feels like a reaction to a headline, and not a response to information. I love it when people get passionate about policy; that’s how policy is created, and why policy changes. But it’s essential to react to the whole report, and not just the title.

Yes, the FAA is proposing changes to the flight path to take effect in 2016. The night path – an estimated five percent of the flights, will shift a few blocks and drop from 8000 feet to 7000 feet. The Geico guy was probably flying lower than the legal limit of 500 feet. Some folks have estimated the plane that buzzed the Fiesta was about 250 feet. That is close enough to be dangerous and loud enough to be annoying. But 7000 feet? Those are planes you have to look for to see, and most likely won’t be able to hear at all. (C’mon, the traffic from the 405 is louder than that. ) The daytime flight path would shift a few blocks and remain at the same altitude. Still more than a mile up. So why the furor?

Concerns about air pollution also don’t make much sense. You are surrounded on four sides by Los Angeles, and their air is our air too.  Changing the path of a jet by a few blocks isn’t going to increase or decrease the level of pollution they discharge by any significant level.

There has been a call for comments in regard to jet noise from the City of Culver City since September of 2014. Going to the City and making your objections part of the organized effort supporting mitigation of the ‘Next Gen’ flight changes would look to the FAA like the City of Culver City has the support of the citizens of Culver City. Putting up a Change.org petition ( and no, I’ve got nothing against Change .org – I think they serve a great purpose)  is not even a fraction as effective a partnering with your city to negotiate with the feds.  Why charge out alone when you have a a trained, skilled battalion to join with?

So, while I don’t think the proposed changes in the flight path are worth getting on the war path, if you want a fight, have an effective one.  You can access Stephen Murray’s research ( Murray is one of the people working with the city on a committee on this subject) here at doorstoarrival.com/proposed-flight-path-undermines-lax-noise-abatement-efforts/ and of course you can contact the city council members – Jeff Cooper has been a leader on this throughout the discussion – at CulverCity.org.

I’m not against petitions, and I’m ALL for people getting involved. If this issue is something that connects for you, get involved in a way that will produce meaningful change.

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5 Responses to “Just a Thought – Air Fair and the Plane Truth”

  1. John Heyl says:

    Culver City Residents and visitors that were annoyed by the Geico advertising plane circling Vets Park and Fiesta La Ballona for 90+ minutes Friday afternoon, 90+ minutes Saturday afternoon, and over 2 hours on Sunday afternoon, you can go to the LAX WebTrak website or Culver City Connect and complain. Getting involved in the FAA Metroplex Draft Environmental Assessment for your children and grandchildren sake is not a bad idea either — check out the panel discussion on the LAX changes at CulverCity.org — I think Webtrak shows the plane flew at about 1500 ft and the noise was ridiculous if you were trying to carry on a conversation — and the shadow from the sign was a little startling on every pass

    http://webtrak5.bksv.com/lax4

  2. Jane says:

    Thank you, John! Our family and neighbors will be contacting WebTrak and Culver City Connect. And we are intrigued to fully understand the LAX flight path issue – thanks Judith for these resources.

  3. Christine says:

    Thank you for this Judith. I also worry about the NIMBY message that we are sending here. I am sure that I am not alone in being happy to be able to get to LAX quickly and easily when I need to get there. I think we need to be sure that there is actual harm before we protest something.

  4. Stephen says:

    The upcoming changes proposed by the FAA may both bring additional noise and reduce existing noise- it is a more complex topic than can be solved by a “Stop the FAA NextGen Flights Over Culver City” statement of the petition.
    Some of us are grateful to Geico to help bring attention on the aircraft noise issue. The piston driven aircraft flown incessantly overhead at 500ft is a different type of noise than the 250 jet planes that pass over Culver City on the way to landing at LAX. Some people won’t be able to hear the difference between a jet flying at 8000 ft from one at 7000 ft as it’s less than 1 1/2 dB difference. In the neighborhoods of Carlson Park and Higuera, where planes currently fly between 5000ft and 7000ft, the 3 dB difference is noticeable to more people. Hopefully these people will be able to comment on their concerns.

    The “Stop the noise” petition is harmless but it can be helpful if people consider the issues and include an educated comment with their signature. From my point of view a very good petition to sign is one that hopes to reform how the FAA fails to integrate community concerns in NextGen: https://www.change.org/p/the-faa-bill-shuster-lee-zeldin-carlos-curbelo-barbara-comstock-mimi-walters-ryan-costello-peter-defazio-todd-rokita-john-garamendi-rob-woodall-mark-sanford-steve-cohen-rodney-davis-m-stop-destroying-quiet-communities

  5. […] Culver City Crossroads first published on this, I felt that it was a non-issue. ( see culvercitycrossroads.com/2015/09/02/just-a-thought-air-fair-and-the-plane-truth/. It was only a few weeks later that I experienced two flights, perhaps as little as 15 minutes […]

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